Gove’s #Brexit scare tactic may rebound

Michael Gove is a much more fearsome opponent that Boris the Buffoon or Nigel the Beer Drinker, but he is still inclined towards being somewhat misleading. His contention that remaining in the UK will “add 5 million” to the UK population is one such example.

The odd thing is, if it actually did, this would by current projections mean the UK would take over as the European Union’s most populous country within 20 years.

Given that the UK would at that stage, inevitably, also have the largest cultural reach, largest military budget and quite likely also the largest economy of any European Union country, it would therefore be undoubtedly the most influential country in the world’s largest industrial economic bloc. It would also have the largest representation in the European Parliament, as a side benefit. All some time in the 2030s.

Which, for those interested in the UK’s global influence, is a thought.

(The 5m figure is, of course, baloney, like just about all the figures produced during this campaign. We may instead have to wait until 2050…)

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5 thoughts on “Gove’s #Brexit scare tactic may rebound

  1. The Listener says:

    The point surely is that whatever growth occurs it must be managed and balanced. In other words growth of population must reflect the ability of the country to support it, without undue stress to facilities and social structures which support the existing population. Ideally the incoming people should reflect the balance of existing strands of society, with regard to skills and aspiration.

    Without management stresses could cause chaos!

  2. Ian, I know you are not exactly an Irish nationalist, but I assume you mean remaining in the EU not the UK there.

    I absolutely agree that the UK if it votes to remain is going to have to demand more European Union power, it is under represented in the European Parliament and that should probably change with the next treaty should it stay in.

    With regards to the Listener’s views, the UK will face stress if migration is low, it would require extremely Pareto Efficient micromanagement of the population by the state where people no longer choose jobs but are effectively reared for them.

    Most people coming to the United Kingdom come because they admire what the United Kingdom is, as is the case with the Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland … I know a man from Turkmenistan who went all the way to the United Kingdom because he found a liberty he didn’t exactly get back home. He’s now a student paying the higher international rate into the universities.

    I believe we are going to see a European Union that is going to be tougher on migration, indeed the Turkish visa “bribe” to take refugees back who don’t comply with migration rules or are not really refugees is a sign of the hardening of the line from the European Union.

    I worry what NATO, unaccountable to a European democratic authority would wish to do in a member state like Turkey, if the likes of the UK on the view of a Brexit vote simply says “not my problem”. If concentration camps are viewed as too liberal, death camps will be next and if that happens Europe will be no better than Da’esh.

    • The Listener says:

      I note Kevin’s mention of my comments. The fact is that “perception” even if false is 80% of any problem. There are public fears of future mass immigration into the UK, and Republic of Ireland, for that matter. These fears have to be addressed. There are parts of England were these fears are justified, with pressure on GPs and other services.

      There is much play on nurses, and doctors from EU countries playing a major part in staffing the NHS. Has any EU great planner thought that stripping health professionals out of potential service in Romania, for instance is not a great idea?
      I believe in the concept of free movement but as the EU has spread south east of Hungary we are entering troubled waters where a welcoming mat has to be balanced against ” fear” of cultures being swamped and the stripping of skills from countries which can, until they are stabilised and enriched, by the EU, ill afford to lose those essential skills.

  3. absolutely agree that the UK if it votes to remain is going to have to demand more European Union power, it is under represented in the European Parliament and that should probably change with the next treaty should it stay in.

    * I think that if the UK population increases and it stays in the EU, that should be reflected in the Parliament.

  4. I’m afraid 2050 may be too late for me, how can we speed things up? I have met very few migrants who were not a real addition to our society. In the main they are working hard and contributing, helping to fund services we all use. They help us diversify, broadening society and giving us a chance to see ourselves as others see us. Always a good, if sometimes an uncomfortable, thing. They are as welcome as are the flowers in May.

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